My partner and I have spoken a lot about how looksmaxxing is more similar to an eating disorder and mental illness than it is actual health and wellness, and that seems to answer all of the questions about why there are no guardrails. Because it’s the men’s version of 2014 ED tumblr. They gatekeep among themselves, uplift their strategies internally, the difference is that Patriarchy is a system in decline, so it appropriated these very disordered approaches to lifestyle and body care almost immediately as a way to revive itself.
Having been a member of a pro-ana message board back when I was a 00 model, there was STILL a difference there. Pro-ana, contrary to popular belief, was not just about the whole thinness. It was harm reduction and support for those of us who were affected by the disease.
They offered refeeding advice, "safe" food lists that ensured meals weren't just empty calories, advice on how to bananabag right...It was a thing.
Thats for sure closer to what I wanted to get across from her perspective, it’s for sure part of the problem with the hyper publication of looksmaxxing stuff. Thank you for sharing your experience apologies if the comment was triggering at all 🫶 Wishing you grace and ease in your journey
Honestly, I didn't know anything about this trend until you wrote about it. It got me wondering if it was related to Incels, Red Pillers, and the general Manosphere dogma. Turns out, it totally is (based on my cursory research).
At this point, the guys falling for this toxic garbage need some help. Looksmaxxing to get the girl is a waste of energy when what (broad brush here) is a better method is using humor, wit, listening, and above all, respect- guys, please, respect women...it's not hard to do. These fellows are not getting that sort of guidance. Then again, there's no money in it. As you've stated, when the looksmaxxing doesn't work- they're lost and left where they were or worse. How long before there are recovery group meeting for these guys?
Also, it's not in any way lost on me that women have been subjected to impossible standards for-fucking-ever and that there's a whole industry that sets the pace and then offers a cure to the psychosis they've instilled. It's insidious, abusive, and a crime against humanity. Other than that I have no opinion.
The supplements industry has long been evil, ever since Orrin Hatch got them to be self-regulating in 1980's.
When President Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, the Senate became Republican-controlled for the first time in decades. Hatch was appointed chairman of what is now known as the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which has oversight of the Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the National Institutes of Health.
"He was virtually catapulted into this chairmanship role," Sundwall says. "This is astonishing that he had chairmanship of an umbrella committee in his first term in the Senate."
Hatch's growing influence in Congress did not go unnoticed by health care lobbyists. According to the watchdog organization Center for Responsive Politics, in the last 25 years of political campaign funding, Hatch ranks third among all members of Congress for contributions from the pharmaceutical and health sector.
Herbal supplements filled with fake ingredients, investigators find
Updated on: February 3, 2015 / 9:44 PM EST /
"Numerous store brand supplements aren't what their labels claim to be, according to an ongoing investigation that subjected popular herbal supplements to DNA testing.
The investigation, led by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, focused on a variety of herbal supplements from four major retailers: GNC, Target, Walmart and Walgreen Co. Lab tests determined that only 21 percent of the products actually had DNA from the the plants advertised on the labels.
"This investigation makes one thing abundantly clear: The old adage 'buyer beware' may be especially true for consumers of herbal supplements," Schneiderman said. His office issued cease and desist letters to the retailers on Monday telling them to stop sales of the products.
The investigation found supplements, including echinacea, ginseng, St. John's wort, garlic, ginkgo biloba and saw palmetto, were contaminated with substances including rice, beans, pine, citrus, asparagus, primrose, wheat, houseplant and wild carrot. In many cases, unlisted contaminants were the only plant material found in the product samples.
The retailer with the poorest showing was Walmart, where only 4 percent of the products tested showed DNA from the plants listed on the labels.
The superficiality and comptetiveness/transactionalism of today boggles my fried brain. So I remember back to when I was 23 and a young woman with unshaven legs and armpits and a black leather miniskirt....er but anyway these kids today, what can I say, other than that they are not all like that. It is as the last commenter, "The Laborer" says, and it is all to create a sense of deprivation that can only be cured by spending money, obtained by obedience.
My partner and I have spoken a lot about how looksmaxxing is more similar to an eating disorder and mental illness than it is actual health and wellness, and that seems to answer all of the questions about why there are no guardrails. Because it’s the men’s version of 2014 ED tumblr. They gatekeep among themselves, uplift their strategies internally, the difference is that Patriarchy is a system in decline, so it appropriated these very disordered approaches to lifestyle and body care almost immediately as a way to revive itself.
Having been a member of a pro-ana message board back when I was a 00 model, there was STILL a difference there. Pro-ana, contrary to popular belief, was not just about the whole thinness. It was harm reduction and support for those of us who were affected by the disease.
They offered refeeding advice, "safe" food lists that ensured meals weren't just empty calories, advice on how to bananabag right...It was a thing.
Thats for sure closer to what I wanted to get across from her perspective, it’s for sure part of the problem with the hyper publication of looksmaxxing stuff. Thank you for sharing your experience apologies if the comment was triggering at all 🫶 Wishing you grace and ease in your journey
Honestly, I didn't know anything about this trend until you wrote about it. It got me wondering if it was related to Incels, Red Pillers, and the general Manosphere dogma. Turns out, it totally is (based on my cursory research).
At this point, the guys falling for this toxic garbage need some help. Looksmaxxing to get the girl is a waste of energy when what (broad brush here) is a better method is using humor, wit, listening, and above all, respect- guys, please, respect women...it's not hard to do. These fellows are not getting that sort of guidance. Then again, there's no money in it. As you've stated, when the looksmaxxing doesn't work- they're lost and left where they were or worse. How long before there are recovery group meeting for these guys?
Also, it's not in any way lost on me that women have been subjected to impossible standards for-fucking-ever and that there's a whole industry that sets the pace and then offers a cure to the psychosis they've instilled. It's insidious, abusive, and a crime against humanity. Other than that I have no opinion.
The supplements industry has long been evil, ever since Orrin Hatch got them to be self-regulating in 1980's.
When President Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, the Senate became Republican-controlled for the first time in decades. Hatch was appointed chairman of what is now known as the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which has oversight of the Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the National Institutes of Health.
"He was virtually catapulted into this chairmanship role," Sundwall says. "This is astonishing that he had chairmanship of an umbrella committee in his first term in the Senate."
Hatch's growing influence in Congress did not go unnoticed by health care lobbyists. According to the watchdog organization Center for Responsive Politics, in the last 25 years of political campaign funding, Hatch ranks third among all members of Congress for contributions from the pharmaceutical and health sector.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/12/31/673851375/how-sen-orrin-hatch-shaped-americas-health-care-in-controversial-ways
Herbal supplements filled with fake ingredients, investigators find
Updated on: February 3, 2015 / 9:44 PM EST /
"Numerous store brand supplements aren't what their labels claim to be, according to an ongoing investigation that subjected popular herbal supplements to DNA testing.
The investigation, led by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, focused on a variety of herbal supplements from four major retailers: GNC, Target, Walmart and Walgreen Co. Lab tests determined that only 21 percent of the products actually had DNA from the the plants advertised on the labels.
"This investigation makes one thing abundantly clear: The old adage 'buyer beware' may be especially true for consumers of herbal supplements," Schneiderman said. His office issued cease and desist letters to the retailers on Monday telling them to stop sales of the products.
The investigation found supplements, including echinacea, ginseng, St. John's wort, garlic, ginkgo biloba and saw palmetto, were contaminated with substances including rice, beans, pine, citrus, asparagus, primrose, wheat, houseplant and wild carrot. In many cases, unlisted contaminants were the only plant material found in the product samples.
The retailer with the poorest showing was Walmart, where only 4 percent of the products tested showed DNA from the plants listed on the labels.
cbsnews.com/news/herbal-supplements-targeted-by-new-york-attorney-general/
The superficiality and comptetiveness/transactionalism of today boggles my fried brain. So I remember back to when I was 23 and a young woman with unshaven legs and armpits and a black leather miniskirt....er but anyway these kids today, what can I say, other than that they are not all like that. It is as the last commenter, "The Laborer" says, and it is all to create a sense of deprivation that can only be cured by spending money, obtained by obedience.